You can learn all about Teri Leigh and her wonderful Substacks right here:
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And we are back on the Curiosity Chronicles.
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I am your host, Taylor Cecilia Brooke.
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And with me today, I have the most wonderful woman, Ms.
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Terry Lee.
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And she is someone I met on Substack and someone who is completely revolutionized the way I think.
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Terry, would you like to introduce yourself?
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Oh, I just got goosebumps.
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Thank you.
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My name is Terry Lee.
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I am the mindfulness coach on Substack.
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And I think I met you, Taylor, pretty early in my own journey on Substack.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so I'm going to ask you a question right away.
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Like, how have I revolutionized the way you think?
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Oh, it's just the way you Barney style stuff.
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Like, I don't know if you know what that means when I say that.
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I don't.
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Okay.
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I'm too old.
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It just means that you break it down on a really reachable level where everybody
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understands what you're saying and can also connect to it because they've
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experienced it.
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And that's unusual.
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And especially when you're talking about, like, the high-level stuff that you're talking about.
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It's not just like, you know, all that kitten's cute.
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Like, you know, we're going to adopt this dog today.
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No,
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I mean,
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you're talking about chemicals and how our dendrites are changing and,
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you know,
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literally,
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like,
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all of that stuff.
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But you make it easy for...
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anybody to understand.
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And I really like that.
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So that's what I meant by revolutionize.
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Cause there's been things where I've never been able to connect to them before and
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then explain it in some way.
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And I'm like, Oh, okay.
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I totally get it now.
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Cool.
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You know,
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one of my favorite quotes,
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I think it's Einstein who says,
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you don't really know it yourself unless you can explain it to a kindergartner.
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And so that's my goal.
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Although I don't go as young as kindergarten, I go more like fourth, fifth grade.
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Well, that's okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think that's probably a good level though, for like the general population.
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Yeah.
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So, so what was your purpose in starting your sub stack for people who are just podcast listeners?
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Well, I have been writing since I was seven years old and I've had a newsletter since 1999.
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Wow.
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So Substack is just the evolution of that newsletter.
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It's my latest platform to move it on to.
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Like I've gone through all the different platforms.
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And when I found Substack, I was like, this is home.
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Oh, I love that.
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I just feel so homey there.
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And I did, I imported Substack.
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1,300 newsletter subscribers who have been following me for anywhere from 25 to 30 years.
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That's so cool, though, that you have that many people who are still following you after this long.
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That is dream goals, literally.
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Yeah.
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I think I posted on Substack just the other day.
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I had a person reply to my email newsletter in email, and she invited me to Germany.
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She's like, I've been following you since you started podcasting in 2008.
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I listened to every single one of your,
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I used to do yoga podcasts where I would record myself live teaching a live class
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and I'd put it on podcast.
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And so she said, I listened to every single one.
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I burned them all onto CDs.
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I have a box of CDs of all of your podcasts.
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That's crazy.
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In 2018.
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So there's like 300 episodes of that, that she has.
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And she's like, I feel like I know you because you tell stories and you talk about yourself.
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And just like you said, Taylor, she, she talked about how I mix in like,
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real practical advice and wisdom with stories of my own life and my own challenges
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and make it practical in the human body.
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And so she's like, please come visit me in Germany.
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So I'm going to go to Germany someday.
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That's so fucking cool.
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Like just, I, that's the kind of stuff that I can't wait to have happen because just
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It's those kinds of connections, those kinds of impacts that I want to be able to make for other people.
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And it's interesting that you brought that up because recently,
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within the last month,
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I've had quite a few private messages from people who are that person who's alone,
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sitting on their couch,
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scrolling TikTok.
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Yeah.
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And,
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and they don't know,
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they don't have anybody else to talk to about it because most of them,
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their spouse follows them on Substack.
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So they can't write about it there.
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So they come to share with me and that's been so cool that I get to be a safe space
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for those people because I would have loved to have someone to talk to just to get
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it off my chest,
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like carrying around that weight.
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Like, you know, the choices that you're making and you know how, how
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heavy they are.
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Like,
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you know what you're doing unless you're like truly,
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truly stupid,
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but I don't,
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you know,
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then there's other problems there.
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But it,
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so,
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but yet you keep doing it and you carry that acknowledgement and that weight around
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and having a place where you can have someone who you could share that with.
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and they won't judge you or comment or really they'll just say, okay, what do you need right now?
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Do you need a hug?
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Do you need a shoulder?
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Do you need a joke?
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Do you need a distraction?
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and oh my god so true like so many people try to fix it yes i fix it for you and
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sometimes all you need is a hug sometimes you just need someone to dump all the
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stuff on and yeah and they take that junk and they're like okay thank you i'll
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throw it away for you yeah yeah i am so guilty of trying to fix things for for
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devin because like my natural instinct is caretaker i'm a caretaker and
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so something's not going right for him it's my job to take care of him and so i
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want to fix it it's the same with the kids like there's times where i have to let
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them fix it on their own and i'm just sitting there yes screaming on the inside but
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so you've had this you've had a blog and a newsletter in some fashion for about 30
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years
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I'd say close to that.
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Yeah, I think the early years were very sporadic.
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So it wasn't really consistent until probably 2005, 2008.
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That's still so cool, though.
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That's like a while ago, because in 2008, I was leaving middle school, going to high school.
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So it's like, you know, now I'm 30.
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Yeah.
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but it seems like so long ago, but it's really not math wise.
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Like in the span of a lifetime, it's really not that long ago, but that's super cool.
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So how does this all tie into what you do to make a living?
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Well, most of my income comes from working one-on-one with clients.
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So those clients that have been following me for years, um,
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Usually,
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I'd say six or seven times a year,
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I get an email from one of them saying,
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OK,
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I'm ready to work with you now.
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Could be someone who found me 10 years ago.
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It could be somebody who knows somebody who found me 20 years ago.
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Like the most recent one was the best friend of a woman who went through yoga
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teacher training with me 15 years ago.
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Oh, that's cool.
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And then what I do is I work, I am a mindfulness coach.
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So they work with me one-on-one, mostly through Zoom, but sometimes in some face-to-face sessions.
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I work on a very...
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energetic, spiritual, and practical physical perspective.
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So I'm not one of those psychic woo-woo people,
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but a lot of people think I am because I studied with an African shaman for six years.
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I saw that.
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I remember seeing some things and I just thought that was the coolest thing ever.
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Yeah.
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So I do, like if people do need some deeper spiritual work, I will do deep shaman ritual.
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Most of that is like working with elements.
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So
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earth, water, fire, nature, mineral type stuff.
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I'm also, speaking of the more woo-woo stuff, I do see and read auras and chakras.
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That's so cool.
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And so that's where I started my work,
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probably back early 2000s,
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where most of my clients would find me because they wanted a chakra reading.
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That's so cool that you've been doing that for this whole time.
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Yeah.
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A pioneer, like literally a pioneer.
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Let me tell you the fun story of like how I got started with that.
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Like there's two pieces to it.
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When I was 10 years old,
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my parents had a midlife crisis and left the church and went into spiritual awareness,
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intuitive development classes.
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And my dad came home from one of those classes and he's like,
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did you know people have colors around them?
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And I'm like, yeah, dad, yours are blue right now.
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Yours is blue.
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Like it was no big deal, but he was super excited.
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So my whole childhood was playing.
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What color do you see on that person as a child?
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And then he'd give me all these books to read about auras and chakras and they
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didn't quite match what I saw.
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So I kind of, I'd read them and then I'd kind of toss them away.
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Like, that's not quite what I see, but okay.
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And, and then I grew up and as I grew up, I'm like, I can't make a living doing this.
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So I became a high school English teacher.
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And I tell you,
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being a high school English teacher with all those colors bouncing around the room,
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it was intense.
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I bet.
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And so visually overwhelming.
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It was.
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And I'm an empath and I'm highly sensitive.
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So it was also very energetically and emotionally and just sensorily overwhelming.
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Yeah.
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And I worked with special ed kids and the delinquents, the dropouts.
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Oh, man.
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So I had...
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parole officers and i had ieps and uni i mean i had all the special needs issues
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and i lasted 10 years and that was pretty damn good but towards the end of that 10
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years in my mid to late 20s towards the the latter half of my teaching career i got
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into yoga and my very first yoga class
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I walked into the yoga class and it was all mirrors and the teacher was saying,
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look,
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your own eyes in the mirror.
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And I couldn't because the laser light show was phenomenal.
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Like all the colors I was seeing was just, whoa, this is crazy.
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I could see the words coming out of the teacher's mouth and hitting the students
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and then the students doing what the teacher would say and it would change their auras.
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And then how they were moving their postures was changing their chakras and their auras.
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And for a short description,
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think of a chakra as a light bulb and the aura as the light coming out of that
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light bulb.
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So the light bulbs are a little bit more static and the lights change a lot more.
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The lights can dim and brighten and so forth.
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And when I saw that, I was like, okay, I got to, like my first yoga class was insane.
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I got to do this.
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But I kept getting in trouble in class because I was not looking at my own eyes in the mirror.
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I was watching the laser light show.
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So then my two loves met.
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Like here's teaching.
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I love teaching.
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I love the structure of step-by-step planning,
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curriculum,
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making sure someone's learning what I'm needing them to learn,
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that they're progressing without taking tests,
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but actually like getting them to evolve as a soul.
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Yeah.
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And then I love all this esoteric stuff.
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And at the same time, I'm this practical grounded, like let's make this real.
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Yeah.
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And so I started teaching yoga.
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Logical arrival.
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I taught yoga because I had to be able to analyze what's going on here.
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Yeah.
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So I used all my students and myself and my own posture as a laboratory.
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How do my words,
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my linguistic language,
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poetry words come out of my mouth and hit the students and change how they feel?
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So then it's all this like literature, language, poetry that I love.
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more practical perspective affirmations and so forth and how does that hit the body
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and then my whole obsession with how the human body functions and the practical
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grounded like muscles and tissues and bones and neuroscience and chemistry and
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hormones so i really spent 10 years on in the yoga studio of yoga studios all over
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the country analyzing the postures of my students and saying what's happening here
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And then I met my shaman teacher and he took it to a whole nother level.
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Oh God, that's so cool.
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So when students work with me, they get a blend of all of that.
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They get really deep understanding of the anatomy and the physiology and the
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mechanics of the body and the neuroscience of how it works and the hormones and the
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chemicals and even how diet plays into that and eating and
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your relationship with food and so forth.
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And they also get then this esoteric, what are these colors coming off of you and what do they mean?
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And then they get the linguistic language, metaphor, symbolism, poetry of it all.
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That's so fucking cool.
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I love... So to me, it's just, you're real.
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You're a real human being who...
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just is a walking testament to the fact that you can be interested in multiple
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different areas of intellect and hobbies and you know all that kind of stuff
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combined
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but you still respect the other people who,
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you know,
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are far deeper into the Delulue or are,
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are like strictly scientific and are like,
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no oxygen.
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That doesn't make sense.
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Whatever.
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But, but you are so real about it.
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And that is so important because it makes people want to understand and,
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I see why people want to work with you because I had no idea you had that giant
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realm of like this huge melting pot of experiences,
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but that gives you knowledge that so many other people don't have.
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And that's like, that's priceless.
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Yeah.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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It's a whole lifetime of,
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gathering wisdom and putting it all together and also just studying it in my own way.
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Yeah, I do have a master's degree in education.
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So my my brain really does work in that systematic instructional design.
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How does the human learn?
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Yeah.
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And that's my traditional training.
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But I also have this classical awareness and training of yoga and working with physical body postures.
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And I even got kicked out of massage school with one hour left just because I
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wanted to learn how the muscles and the tissues work.
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So I had to learn how to work with muscles and tissues through massage.
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the teacher didn't like that I was a little bit more esoteric.
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And he thought I was the devil.
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So he kicked me out.
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Oh, my God.
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He was a little too Christian.
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That's so obnoxious.
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My entire career, I've come up against the butt head of Christianity.
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Oh, I bet.
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Over and over.
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I own a yoga studio that got put out of business by the Christian church down the street.
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I got kicked out of massage school by the Christian guy who said auras and chakras are the devil.
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And yeah, when I taught yoga at my university, I wasn't allowed to call it yoga.
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Just stretching, right?
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Yeah.
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Just stretching because yoga invited the possibility of inviting the devil into your brain.
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And I'm over here like, do you, you guys clearly don't understand how yoga works.
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Like, I just, yeah.
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So I, I know exactly what that's like.
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It's so annoying.
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Yep.
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And now I trick people into doing yoga and they don't even know they're doing yoga.
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Like my most recent,
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my most recent client came to me with a recently replaced hip and a 300 pound
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overweight body and a slouch that you wouldn't believe.
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And he's like, I need your help.
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And I've got him doing yoga.
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all day long in terms of how he's holding his feet and how he's holding his knees
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and never once have we called it yoga he calls it just this is my posture time i
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like that i think more people probably need posture time yeah so
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You are a mindfulness coach, which encompasses all of that, which you just talked about.
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But you also have a sub stack with your husband.
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Yes.
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The Hobbit.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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So I have like a thousand questions around all of that.
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But I think first,
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probably for our listeners,
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it would be best to explain what that is and what you guys do on that sub stack.
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Yeah.
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So the overall arching umbrella of my three sub stacks is mindful.
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So the one with habit is called mindful love.
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and both of us came to each other from very very tumultuous prior lives as we call
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it and we both went through pretty dramatic i mean when is it not divorce is
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traumatic it's dramatic it's yeah i don't care anyone who says it's peaceful okay
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you're blessed because yeah exactly it's terrifying my divorce left me homeless for
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almost a decade
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Oh my God.
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And my husband's divorce left him without access to his children.
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I remember reading that.
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It was just devastating.
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And so, and we come together as in many ways we're very similar, but we're also very opposite.
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Like I'm practical, I'm grounded, I'm scientific, I'm get shit done.
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I'm organized, I'm cleanly and tidy and all that stuff.
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and he is add and musician and creative and messy and all over the place and he
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loves to make jokes and so the mindful love is our and he's a brilliant writer he's
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actually making me a much better writer even though i write more often than he does
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when he writes his writing is
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he taps into that ADD creative way outside the box.
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I've definitely noticed that his, his, uh, metaphors and just imagery is very fantastic.
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He's fantastic.
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So mindful love is every episode,
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every article we both,
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we both write and every other week we alternate who starts the conversation.
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And then the other one of us ends the conversation and every other week
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we alternate who chooses the topic.
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And it's some topic about love, some topic about being married, some topic about relationship.
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And it can, sometimes it's really deeply penetrating, heart wrenching stuff.
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Like the fact that I never got to be a mother or the fact that his children were
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taken from him in the estrangement of divorce.
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Sometimes it's goofy, playful stuff.
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Like the fact that when I feel sad, I go bite his ankles.
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There's so many.
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So first off the,
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the,
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that newsletter that you're referring to where you talk about you,
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how you never got to be a mother.
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I think by the end of it,
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I was just bawling because it just,
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it hit me in the feels because I know what it's like to long for that.
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And, and then to have it ripped away from you as well is just like,
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And in my case, it wasn't ever ripped away.
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It was just sort of a peeling away.
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Like I married my first husband and thought we're going to have kids.
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And it just sort of evaporated in front of my eyes as I realized, oh, he's not father material.
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And I was faced with a decision,
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like force him to have a baby and not be a dad and then raise a baby that doesn't
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have a real dad.
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or leave the marriage and go find someone else or what and my my loyalty was like i
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committed to him for life so i got to figure out how to be okay without a kid and
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then we split and i was still young enough sort of i was in my late 30s um but all
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the guys i dated you know i could have kids with them but several years of this
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isn't the right guy and then i met hobbit and he had two kids
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but their divorce and the estrangement.
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And I got to know one of them sort of, but never really got to be a step parent to him.
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And the other one was like, no, I don't want to meet her.
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But the worst really when it was ripped away was when we tried to adopt.
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And that was just devastating because it was like,
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okay,
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spirits bitch slapped me in the face and said,
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have you not figured this out yet?
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You should not be a mom.
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But it was also just like, the system is so broken.
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We went through the whole adoption process to find out at the end that the
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caseworker who made the decision about us had a prior relationship with my
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husband's first wife.
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And so it was a conflict of interest all along.
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And she was making us go through all the process to make us look bad.
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And we had to hire lawyers.
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We had to take them to court just to get the case expunged.
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oh my god it was devastating yeah that is like next level like just i don't
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understand how a human can do that to someone like they were intentionally yep like
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trying to defame you like they were trying to smear your names
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across the city.
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That's so awful.
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Like, absolutely so awful.
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And if you know us, I mean, anyone who knows us would be like, what?
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Those two would be the best parents to a troubled teenager.
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Yeah.
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Do you think,
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though,
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that it's possible the universe chose not to have you be a mother to a biological
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child in
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in a traditional sense because you would not have had the energy or the spoons to
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be to do the work that you do oh definitely if if i had been a mother that would
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have been my job yeah and i knew that from the get-go and i still know that if i
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ever had the chance
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be a mother that would be it first and foremost i'd still write i'd still do things
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on the side but that child that person that soul that human that's my
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responsibility i'd give everything to them and i i have in many cases in my life oh
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for sure and i think
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this just makes you have an appreciation and develop much deeper relationships than
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a lot of people would who take for granted what they've been given.
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And that's not you.
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You don't take anything for granted.
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I read your articles.
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Oh, thank you.
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I try.
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I try really hard.
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It's, it's difficult sometimes.
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And I don't know if you saw my alter ego note today.
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I need to know about my alter ego.
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Hey, T E I G H L O R Taylor.
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And just all the shitty things that she does.
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Yeah.
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And that side of me really still struggles to honor what I have,
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respect what I have,
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give gratitude for every little thing because she just thinks everything's fucking stupid.
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Like that's literally the face that she's making in my head right now.
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It's so obnoxious.
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And you know what?
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She's kind of right.
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That's the worst part because she's the one who told me to do half the things that
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I did when my life blew up that got me to where I am now.
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So it's like, damn you.
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Why?
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It's this dichotomy of like, she fucked up your life.
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And if she didn't fuck up your life, you would have been fucked up for much longer.
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So thank God she fucked up your life because look at where you're at now.
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Well, exactly.
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She's a disruptor.
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Yeah, she's a great disruptor.
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She disrupts my brain during sex to be like, hey, hey, you're rolled over right now.
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So you have a fat roll.
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Ling, just wanted to point that out to you.
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It's so fucking annoying.
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She's definitely good at disrupting.
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But so how did you and Hobbit meet?
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We were online dating.
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And I had been online dating a lot longer than him.
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And he was about a year through his divorce process.
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So he was separated for at least a year, maybe a little longer.
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But it took another two years for his divorce to finalize.
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Oh, wow.
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And our...
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Our very first date, he met me at a bar, coffee shop kind of place.
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And I knew.
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Like that first date.
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And it's weird because he's not my type.
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He was totally not the kind of guy I would normally date.
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But as soon as he said, Alice in Wonderland is a sacred text, I was like, you're it.
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I'm done.
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And then he described himself as a hobbit.
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He said, I'm low to the ground.
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I have a view from below.
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I can see everything.
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I do the dirty work.
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I love to please people.
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And I'm super humble, which means I can carry the ring.
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And I was like,
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he's confident and humble and honest and not scared to do the dirty work and also
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can see everything that's going on around him.
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Okay, I want this guy.
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Yeah.
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yeah totally and like six more months to figure that out but it's okay yeah he was
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going through a nasty divorce at the time and he had a lot of mess to clean up and
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i think a lot of that was why does this woman want me and i had to just keep
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telling him i want you you're it yep oh trust me i i feel i feel the white is why
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does this person want me
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That's still something that every now and then creeps up.
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And I'm like, I don't understand why why he would even want to be with me.
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But no matter how many times he explains it to me or tells me, you're like,
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It's so funny how our brains can work that way.
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How long have you two been together?
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Not very long.
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It goes away.
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Yeah, I figured.
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So much has already changed.
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So much.
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So we met in May of 2022.
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And we met on Tinder on
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I think you probably saw that.
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Yeah.
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So we met on Tinder.
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I saw the story.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then we developed a friendship.
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And is it May of 20?
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Yeah.
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Years are really hard for me to remember now for some reason.
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They all kind of just smooshed together.
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But we had known each other, like,
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eight-ish months when,
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like,
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I finally decided to confront my ex-husband about how unhappy I was and just,
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like,
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just all the crappy things that he did.
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And it's so hard because I know now,
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like,
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everything that I've said is completely clouded by me finally telling him that I
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cheated on him.
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Like,
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He thinks all of it's bullshit now, probably.
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I don't know.
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We've never talked, but... It doesn't matter.
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Exactly.
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It doesn't matter.
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It really doesn't.
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We're amicable.
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We are friendly enough for Lucy, and that's all that matters.
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Yeah.
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So... And he treats my stepdaughter very well and invites her over to their house.
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So, you know, that's very kind of him.
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That's what matters.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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So I...
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I really,
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really tried to not talk to Devin about the issues that I was having because I knew
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that was definitely a line that,
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like,
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if you cross that,
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there's no going back.
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It's a different line from if you sleep with this person, there's no going back.
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Right.
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it became pretty clear right away that my ex-husband did not understand anything what I was saying.
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He just didn't see where it was coming from.
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He had no idea.
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And that made me feel like I was crazy.
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And so then I started talking to people because I needed, I needed opinions and input.
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And so that definitely changed my,
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the dynamic of a relationship pretty quickly.
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But I had feelings for him.
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So we met in May.
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I had feelings for him probably by October.
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And I think I knew I was falling in love with him by Christmas time.
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So, you know, I mean, I spent three months making a blanket for the dude.
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Like I planned ahead for something.
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I never do that.
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So, but he also,
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his divorce.
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So my divorce was done in six months, like filed and done very quick.
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Um, he wanted to get rid of me as fast as possible.
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Um, so yeah.
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Uh, so, but his was not like that.
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His was drawn out for a while and he went through the ringer.
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I mean, just the ringer.
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And, um,
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Like you and Hobbit, we are both very different and very similar.
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He's definitely more of the practical,
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down on the earth,
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planner,
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thinker,
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like doesn't fly by the seat of their pants.
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And it's so interesting because I am analytical and I love data and science and
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numbers and things like that.
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But I'm also very artistic.
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I paint, I crochet, I sew, I'm seeing, I play multiple instruments.
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I write, you know, it's like, so, but I am up in the sky compared to him.
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So, you know, he definitely, he kind of holds me.
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He's like my gravity almost like gives me my reality check that I need every fucking day.
(00:33:12):
So, and I, I think I probably, I,
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help him be less serious but yeah we I moved in in March of 23 and we definitely
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should not have started I like in an ideal circumstance I would not have moved in
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at that point in time of our relationship because at that point we had been like
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official for like two months so it's like
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But I had no other choice because I would have been homeless.
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So he wasn't going to let that happen because just to begin with, he's not that type of guy.
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So he's like, no, you're coming home.
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You're coming to my house.
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And then I never left.
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And then this May, he asked me to marry him.
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So I'm really not leaving.
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Oh my God.
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I love it so much.
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I'm literally,
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I keep like,
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I'm actually going to,
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I'm going to go pick it up right now because I keep like going to like spin it and
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touch it and it's not there.
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And I'm like, I took it off when I went in the pool because I didn't want to wear it in the pool.
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But yeah.
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So I just love that.
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What you guys write on mindful love,
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is very helpful for divorced people in very different relationships than what their first one was.
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Because everything about this relationship is the polar opposite to what I had.
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And there's a few of us on Substack who have
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you know, discuss that and how, how much better their lives are.
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And then there's people on Facebook that have said the same thing to me.
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And it's kind of like,
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that makes me,
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I want to know what your,
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your theory on this is,
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but what happened to those generations that finally decided
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like had them wake up almost because it's, we were no longer content to settle.
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And like, what caused us to get there?
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What caused us to finally wake up?
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And how do we prevent the younger generations from going through all of that to
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help them just be able to do it the way they need to do it?
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Well, I'm going to tackle that question from two perspectives.
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First from the generational and just to give examples,
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my parents were the generation of you stay together no matter what.
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Yeah.
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And they got married in their early twenties.
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They had three kids and they are 80 years old and they are still together and they
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don't get along and they love each other deeply.
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If that makes any sense,
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separate rooms of the house,
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they are excellent at logistics of managing a family,
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managing a house,
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making financial decisions,
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doing all that stuff.
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And they have absolutely nothing in common with each other that they have
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conversations that they care about,
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you know,
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and I admire them because they chose to stay together and they gave me the best.
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guidance as parents do being on the same page as parents yeah and yet and so then
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that led to my generation and this was the same case for my husband his parents
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stayed together until his mother died and
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They weren't necessarily a great match, so to speak.
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But both Havit and I,
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we would have stayed in our marriages forever because we had that training,
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that guidance,
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and that you stay just because that's what you committed to.
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And we're Midwesterners.
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Exactly, yep.
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And we're midwetons who are taught you stay just because you should stay.
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And it was our partners that forced us out.
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Like in my case, my partner looked me in the eye and said, I'm going to be a monk.
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And he threw me over a chair and it was violent.
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And there was no going back from that.
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No.
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And his partner chose to be a swinger and stepped out of the relationship and said,
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I don't want you anymore.
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Okay.
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Well, if you're spitting us out, then we're going to go kind of.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It took years.
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Like if you really look at the arc of our marriages, his was 19 years.
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Mine was 11 years.
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I probably should have left at year two.
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Like if I look at all the red flags and where things started to go bad, it was year two.
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I know.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I know exactly what you're talking about because there was,
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I know the point where I should have ended things.
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And yet there's something in our culture made it okay for at least our partners to
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do that and break the bond because
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And I think our children and people younger than us, you're what, 20 years younger than me?
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You're 30.
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I'm 30.
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Yeah.
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You're 30 and I'm 51.
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So, and I'm seeing that in the younger generations, there's more of that.
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I chase, not chasing, but not willing to compromise anymore because it is a lifetime of
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It's a lifetime of hell.
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Hell is not a place we go to when we die.
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Hell is something we choose on Earth.
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Heaven is something we choose to live on our by our choices in life.
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And I chose hell for 11 years and he chose hell for 19 years.
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And now we're choosing heaven.
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Yeah.
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And that brings me to my other perspective to answer your question.
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And that's that I believe everything in nature always seeks balance.
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There's a day to the night.
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There's a spring to the fall.
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There's a winter to the summer.
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There's always a balance.
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Yeah.
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And I think our culture might have swung a little too far to the extreme of loyalty.
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And it's starting to swing the other way now.
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Yeah.
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But in the world of like the 1900s,
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1920s,
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1940s,
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especially the 1950s,
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it was like a little too much of you stay for the sake of staying.
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And more so, too, in the world of women are owned by their men.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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And my mother lived that way and basically said in her head, fuck that.
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My daughter's not living that way.
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I love that gave me permission,
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not just in terms of marriage,
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but because if in the long run,
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like she would have had me stay with my first husband.
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Yeah, she actually picked him out so that there was that.
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But as soon as he hit me, she's like, OK, you get out.
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That's good.
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But she lived a life where she was told, you can't be an architect.
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You're a woman.
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You should go have babies.
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And they even tried to tell her because of the time zone, the timeline.
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And when I was born, they tried to tell her breastfeeding is not good for the kids.
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And she's like, fuck that.
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I got boobs.
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And this is free.
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you know it's not just free it's the best thing for my baby yeah oh yeah i created
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this yeah exactly you can't tell me what to do with my baby that i grew you didn't
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grow it yeah that's just so crazy and i think something happened to women in the
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60s and 70s where they're like we're not putting up with this anymore and that
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swung the pendulum from that
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patriarchal society more towards and it's a slow pendulum it's more towards a
(00:41:18):
feminine society but now here we are in America looking at possibly our first
(00:41:22):
female president yeah who is our first female vice president I mean the pendulum is
(00:41:28):
swinging we're feminism yeah and I don't mean that feminism I mean feminism I know
(00:41:35):
feminine energy yes is coming yeah because it sucks you can't
(00:41:40):
really use the word the use the phrase feminism anymore because it's become so
(00:41:44):
distorted to what it actually means it's like it's so frustrating that that happens
(00:41:49):
and i directly blame that on social media yes it is i finally deleted the facebook
(00:41:58):
and instagram apps from my phone because i just i'm done it doesn't need to keep i
(00:42:04):
don't need this in my life so um okay
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There was something else I wanted to ask you.
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And now my brain is just like really spiraling and thinking about just the whole gender.
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I find epigenetics and generational trauma and that kind of stuff really fascinating,
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just biologically how it can affect us.
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And I would love to see what happens to our DNA.
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Like what,
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what is happening to our DNA from the trauma of,
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you know,
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my great,
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great grandmother telling my,
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or my great grandmother telling me,
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telling my grandmother that she didn't want her.
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She needs to disappear at five,
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five,
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like,
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you know,
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and it would be so cool to see,
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you know,
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but that's years and years because they haven't even found all the disorders yet.
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So.
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It'll be a while before we get to trauma.
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As soon as you call it a disorder, it turns into a disorder.
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But if you look at it like this is a change,
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this is a shift,
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this is something evolving from that to this.
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And sometimes you got to get thrown over a chair and spit in the face to make a
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change because the loyalty would keep you stuck where you're at.
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So I really have this perspective.
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And one of my favorite quotes is there is no right or wrong.
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There's only right or left.
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And so can you find that left perspective?
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I don't know if you've read my mindful word this week yet.
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I think.
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No, not yet.
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But you talked about epigenetics and how our DNA is influenced over generations.
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I give that example in a very short story in mindful word today,
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the letter of the word,
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the week is V.
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When I talk about my mother's name,
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my mother's name is LaVon.
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With a capital V.
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And I remember as a little kid thinking,
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why does she get a capital letter and I don't have one in the middle of my name?
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You know, but here's the epigenetics.
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My mother was named after her aunt who died young.
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Okay.
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So her aunt LaVon was getting ready to get married and she fell down the stairs and
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broke her neck and died.
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At like 20, 21 years old.
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I mean, devastating.
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Yeah.
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And then my mom was born a few years later and given that name.
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And by being given that name and carrying that DNA.
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Oh my God.
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She then was given like this responsibility.
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You're supposed to take over this life that didn't get to finish.
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Yeah.
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You know,
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yet she was raised in the 1940s,
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1950s,
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where she was also told,
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but you can't do what you want to do.
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Yep.
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So I look at the letter V and I'm like, V is about vigor.
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V is about vibrancy.
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V is about vividness.
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And here love on is this singing of being alive.
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And this woman died at 20.
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And then the next love on singing about being alive is told you can't live the way you want to live.
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And so then she said, I'm going to fucking break that cycle and not name my daughter LaVon.
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I'm going to name her Terry.
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And I'm going to teach her all the things that I wasn't able to be taught.
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And that's the evolution.
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Like I still have the responsibility in me of my great aunt LaVon to live the life
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that she didn't get to finish.
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And I have the responsibility in me to live the life my mom didn't get to live
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because she was suppressed.
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And I have that vibrancy of the letter V and the singing of La, La, La, La, La, La, Vaughn in me.
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And yet my name is not LaVaughn, it's Terry.
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So I have this whole other energy.
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Yeah.
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And it's not just in my name, it's in my genetics.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And the difference,
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though,
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is that evolution where the first LaVon didn't get to live and the second LaVon
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didn't get to live the way she wanted to.
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And that could be fear.
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Yeah.
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But in evolution, everything finds its balance.
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I took it as I'm not afraid.
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I'm going to go fucking get what I want.
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Yeah.
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And I'm going to do it.
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Yeah, which is awesome.
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Yeah.
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Like, it's so interesting because it's really unique to see –
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kind of like a flip side of that perspective because my,
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my grandma kind of did what your mom did,
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but not quite,
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not as well,
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I think is probably the best way to put it.
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You know, she always worked and she, I mean, she's still active.
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She still rides horses.
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She's 86 now.
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That's awesome.
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Oh, she's doing it.
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Yeah.
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She's going to live until she's 120.
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Um,
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And I really hope there's someone who can find her soul interesting like my grandpa
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did because I think she's been pretty lonely since he died.
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But her mother was not a good mother.
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So she was never taught how to be motherly.
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So she was not very motherly to my mother.
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Right.
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And that just carried all the way down and the feelings of inadequacy and of never
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being enough,
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like all of that just carried it down.
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And then like,
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I just got thrown some extra shit because the universe was like,
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here,
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you're going to try to figure this out too.
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So it's, it was like the light bulb moment when I read the, it didn't start with you book.
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It was like, my brain blew up.
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Yeah, yet I'm going to interject here and flip your whole story upside down and inside out.
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I love that.
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I believe that the ancestors that did us wrong on the other side now after they've died,
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they desperately want us to fix their wrongs.
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Yes.
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So your great grandmother who didn't mother
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and didn't trade that skill into your grandmother and then it's trickled down into
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you are all saying to you and this gives me chills because of what i know about you
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and your mothering is they're all saying to you you've got to fix what we screwed
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up and look they gave you lily i know yeah and they taught you through lily
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how you can't not be a mother with that circumstance.
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That is the ultimate of mothering what you've gone through.
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Thank you.
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I appreciate that.
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And Lily is like changing.
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And I say that in the present tense because she is always with you and she is
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always changing that direct line.
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And now that pendulum of everything seeks balance has gone to the other degree with you so that
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your future children and their children's children,
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Lucy and her children and so forth are going to have the other understanding of
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what mothering is.
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Yeah.
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It's been really special to, to learn, to embrace it.
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It's definitely been a huge like adjustment for me each step of the way.
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Like each form of parenting has been a new adjustment for me.
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um that's human honey yeah yeah i know i'm like i'm pretty sure parenting's hard
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for everybody i think every
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parent would say that at every stage of it is a huge adjustment yeah like i just
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finally got used to four and now we're five and i'm like how how the did you change
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so much between two weeks like two weeks ago you were four and now you're five and
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you sound like an adult i'm confused wait you're using complete sentences now and i
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don't like all those sentences oh gosh that was a hard one for me so lucy spoke
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very early
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shocking not shocking um not shocking at all no one was surprised by that uh but
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she was speaking full sentences by like i think she was speaking full sentences
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before she was walking now she didn't walk until 18 months but i think she was
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speaking full sentences before then so it was somewhere around like 16 to 18 months
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but and then by three she could have
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conversations with adults,
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like back and forth,
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volley,
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talk to them for 20 minutes,
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if she was wanting to give them that much attention.
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But we are close to an hour.
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So I wanted to ask you, yeah, I know that that's usually how this goes.
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It's like somehow we've already hit an hour.
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So I wanted to ask you how you were feeling.
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I have about
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30-ish, maybe probably 15 left on my battery.
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But it is up to you if you want to keep going for the next 15,
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20 minutes or if you would like to wrap it up.
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Let's go the next 10 minutes.
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Cut the difference.
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I love that idea.
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That is so great.
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Then I have another question.
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What was so different about Hobbit that
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like was complete opposite of your first marriage because it's so interesting
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because that's how mine is they're completely opposite but they had the same
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profession they were both marines oh wow yeah but now granted they were in
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completely different areas and one was an officer and one was enlisted so that that
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is different but
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I definitely have a type.
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It's the uniform.
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Well, Hobbit is the opposite of my type that I used to be, which was I went for the jock.
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And so that's one thing that's different is my first husband was a jock.
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He was a baseball player.
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His dad was a basketball coach.
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and i met him in yoga class and he could do every stupid human pretzel position
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thing that you could imagine um so six-pack abs he was also very very skinny and
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anorexic so there's a physical and and hobbit was pudgy and i say was because he he
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isn't anymore but he was pudgy he was round he was low to the ground you know very
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not
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concerned about his body in that way that's not what the difference really is that
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has the energetic like magnetic quality um my first husband was very cerebral he he
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loved to read and study esoteric wisdoms he read the kabbalah he read the torah he
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read the bible he read ancient esoteric
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yogic scriptures and then he would teach them and he would teach them all with this
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like phd level i know more than you type attitude and he would lecture and he was a
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high school english teacher and he would lecture all of his classes from beginning
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to end he just he knew how to talk and make people listen and i was captivated by
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that because i have a brain that really likes to learn yeah i guess it is just as
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smart
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Yet Hobbit smarts, and he's just as smart in all those spiritual ways.
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Yet he is also very humorous and playful.
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So where my first husband was meditating 18 hours a day,
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Habit is making music,
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if you can,
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18 hours a day.
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But the best difference is the way we interact.
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The first marriage was he almost wanted someone to worship him with his wisdom.
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And I was doing that until I wasn't.
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And Habit is more like,
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pulling me along to play with him and our whole life.
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So I,
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I kid you not probably four times a day,
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he'll put his finger in front of my lips and expect me to go just for fun.
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And then he'll laugh a deep full belly laugh and say, thank you.
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I needed that.
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That's so funny.
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One example of the billions of things he does.
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Like I can't walk into a room without looking around the corners.
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Is he waiting for me to surprise me?
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And you can tell in the readings.
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Yeah.
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So goofy.
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Yeah.
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No, wait, not the word goofy.
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He's corrected me many times.
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It's absurd.
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His world is very absurd.
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And he looks at life from a spiritual perspective of everything's absurd.
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Let's just play with it.
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That's a pretty cool way to look at life.
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Yeah.
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I like that a lot.
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That's really cool.
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My first husband looked at it like everything is deeply esoteric and spiritual and serious.
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You have to be sacred with it.
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That's such a boring way to live life.
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Hobbits taught me that playful is sacred.
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Yeah, I bet.
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I bet.
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That's so cool.
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That's so cool.
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I love that.
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I just enjoy learning from you guys because it's such a helpful...
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like tool to have for my relationship and it's really helped like help me reframe
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some of the just the ways that i think and look at things and perspectives i take i
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wish i could give you specific examples but my brain when put on the spot it's a
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blank whiteboard in there and super fun it's so frustrating that's a trauma
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response that i still have to fix um but
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it's just really cool that you guys are willing to do that for other people.
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Like, and I know it's not just me.
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I know there's quite a few other people who get a lot out of reading mindful love.
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And so I just wanted to thank you for really just your, all of your sub stacks.
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They're really such a wonderful place and a very welcoming community.
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And if you're not on sub stack and are curious, you definitely should visit because, uh,
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Terry Lee is the mindfulness coach, but she's also the bee's knees.
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And so if you're not on Substack, I'm sure that you can find you many other ways, right?
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Terrylee.com.
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But that'll just take you to my Substack eventually.
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Yeah, and that's how Taylor Cecilia Brooke is now.
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But okay, and I will make sure that everybody, that there are links in the transcript so everybody has
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a way to contact you.
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Is there anything you wanna say for the last time?
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I think I wanna go back to that story about me being a childless mother and tell
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everybody that when you read that,
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you texted me and said,
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I'll be your child any day.
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And my heart just broke wide open because I see you as so wise.
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And one of the things I learned from my parents is the greatest relationship
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between a parent and a child is that the child is the greatest teacher to the parent.
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And so I look at you when you said that to me,
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I'm like,
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wow,
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we get to teach each other so many things in ways.
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And so, yay, I love you like my daughter that I never had.
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I love that so much.
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And that makes me so happy that it wasn't creepy.
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Because sometimes I worry that I come across as kind of creepy and weird.
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Because it's like, I'll be your child any day.
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Who says that?
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But...
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It worked and I was doing cartwheels to go show Hobbit when I got that message.
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I'm like, she wants me to be your mama.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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There was just some, there's something there that, I mean, I could literally feel the soul tether.
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Like there, there is a tether there that connects us somehow.
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And.
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that'll be, we could dive into that in another time, but yes, we will.
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Thank you so much for joining.
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I love you.
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I love you.
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I had a blast.
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This was so much fun.
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I learned so much and I hope my curious listeners also learned so much.
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Thank you so much everybody for listening and I will see you next time.
Soul Mama 👧, Barney Style 🐻❄️, and Marriage 👰🏻